got, that drugs and violence, someone was killed -- there was a situation where someone fired a gun. he says it was fired at him as well as the victim but the victim died. and i think a drug situation. but the fact is, that's something that a lot of people think once you strike out on that, you've struck out. drugs, violence, that isn't something these people say you should have in your public citizens. other people say give them a chance. so, that's what's impens him. the delegate herself has been ruled inappropriately qualified for office now, too. she's fighting that. but that isn't -- she's having a difficult time. i think it's a question of what's in your past. can you be trusted with the welfare of the people of the county, trying to improve its image after jack johnson and his wife, is this the way to go? >> jerry? >> public trust, here we go. that's what people look at. there are those who say, give him a second chance. up, the question is, you asked a while ago, what message does this send?